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#1 2010-02-05 23:46:03
- klausesser
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A Tour
http://www.360impressions.de/Soller.html
and a single:
http://www.360impressions.de/Tower.html
best, Klaus
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#2 2010-02-06 02:05:10
Re: A Tour
klausesser wrote:
http://www.360impressions.de/Soller.html
and a single:
http://www.360impressions.de/Tower.html
best, Klaus
klaus, why do you choose to have only a fullscreen button in your panos. The zoom in and out can be done by shift and STRG/CRT keys - clear, but your way i think its not so handy for users not familar with krpano features....
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#3 2010-02-06 02:13:37
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Re: A Tour
gkaefer wrote:
klaus, why do you choose to have only a fullscreen button in your panos. The zoom in and out can be done by shift and STRG/CRT keys - clear, but your way i think its not so handy for users not familar with krpano features....
Hi Georg!
You´re right. Navigation should be explained. That will come in the final version of the site as text.
I want to have as few icons in the picture as i can. I hate a battery of clumsy icons spread over the image . . ![]()
We´re actually working on a design to stand for the whole site as a kind of CI.
best, Klaus
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#4 2010-02-06 11:31:46
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Re: A Tour
Klaus,
You really do have problems with your Nadirs, don't you.
1/. Viewers need tips - not necessarity masses of instructions.
2/. You don't have to have a battery of icons spread over the image. Take a look at any of my panos - discrete, with tips and can be slid out of the way - all done with Pano2VR's skin editor.
3/. Is this an example (using a KRpano button) made with your 'specialist' software?
John
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#5 2010-02-06 12:20:11
Re: A Tour
john_willetts wrote:
Take a look at any of my panos - discrete, with tips and can be slid out of the way - all done with Pano2VR's skin editor.
John
Let's have some links to your exemplars of 'The Joy of the Pano2VR Skin Editor' (by your account it's better than s*x). ![]()
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#6 2010-02-06 13:03:15
- klausesser
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Re: A Tour
john_willetts wrote:
Klaus,
You really do have problems with your Nadirs, don't you.
1/. Viewers need tips - not necessarity masses of instructions.
2/. You don't have to have a battery of icons spread over the image. Take a look at any of my panos - discrete, with tips and can be slid out of the way - all done with Pano2VR's skin editor.
3/. Is this an example (using a KRpano button) made with your 'specialist' software?
John
John,
quite obviously i showed work in progress ![]()
"You really do have problems with your Nadirs, don't you."
No.
best, Klaus
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#7 2010-02-06 13:51:08
Re: A Tour
john_willetts wrote:
2/. You don't have to have a battery of icons spread over the image. Take a look at any of my panos - discrete, with tips and can be slid out of the way - all done with Pano2VR's skin editor.
John
Perhaps I missed something but I didn't find any virtual tours on your web site, only single panos:
http://www.j-a-willetts-esq.com/
By virtual tours I mean two or more panos linked together via some sort of coherent navigation system - hotspots, or thumbnails, or a map, or ....
Andrew Stephens
Nikon D40, Nikkor 10.5mm fisheye, Sigma 8mm f3.5 fisheye, Nikkor 18-55/50/35mm lenses, Nodal Ninja 5 Lite, Agno's Mrotator TCSshort
Nikon P5100, CP5000, CP995, FC-E8, WC-E63,WC-E68, TC-E2, Kaidan Kiwi 995, Bophoto pano bracket
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#8 2010-02-06 14:53:27
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Re: A Tour
mediavets wrote:
john_willetts wrote:
2/. You don't have to have a battery of icons spread over the image. Take a look at any of my panos - discrete, with tips and can be slid out of the way - all done with Pano2VR's skin editor.
JohnPerhaps I missed something but I didn't find any virtual tours on your web site, only single panos:
http://www.j-a-willetts-esq.com/
By virtual tours I mean two or more panos linked together via some sort of coherent navigation system - hotspots, or thumbnails, or a map, or ....
rarely 360x180 (often lacks Nadir - problems with it, John?
) and fullscreen-resolution isn´t impressing at all in spite of a slow loading time (i have 16MB cable).
Lots of CA at the landscapes (especially at the nevertheless very fine fog-shot).
But honestly: i like the the site´s design! The navigation button solution is elegant - very fine!
best, Klaus
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#9 2010-02-08 12:10:09
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Re: A Tour
http://www.j-a-willetts-esq.com/ppsnowbridge.html
This is the most recent. I'm not making excuses because I agree with everything you say, Klaus. The Nadirs might not be perfect, I'm not as good as you but at least you won't see the tripod - I'm spending these dark winter days redoing everything with NX2 and Autopano Pro, for a new Portfolio which will have at least a year's shelf live. Hence my urgent interest in KRPano and desire to use a simplified version of my existing interface - why, because people know it.
However, FPP's poor documentation and now Page Flip's expectation of Flash expertise which I am struggling with I am extremely wary of XML. (This is why I'm wasting time writing this to avoid having to do some real work).
Andrew, I don't do Virtual Tours, I think they're to complex for the average punter. I prefer a narrative style - which is why I've gone for Virtual Walks - which are sitting somewhere on my provider's hard drive and is another reason why I have to redo the Portfolio.
Can't think of any more reasons not to get back to Flash - oh yes I can, it's coffee time.
John
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#10 2010-02-08 12:31:27
- klausesser
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Re: A Tour
john_willetts wrote:
The Nadirs might not be perfect, I'm not as good as you but at least you won't see the tripod -
That´s not a question of being "good" or not - it´s a question of how important it is to see the Nadir. I mean it´s not important in 90% of all cases (who cares for the floor under the camera . . ).
But sometimes it is - i did insert the Nadir in another version of this pano (QT-version) but not in this version yet.
What i think is definitely important is the resolution/sharpness and the loading time - and here my experiences using P2VR showed it´s not good.
But maybe i used wrong settings or so - it´s some time ago.
KRPano´s image quality also depends on the Flash-player version.Version 9 isn´t as good as Version 10 in displaying diagonal lines/edges and overall-sharpness. The "High" or "HighSharp" option and setting of detail-quality in the xml helps a lot with keeping details alive when played with FlashPlayer10.
best, Klaus
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#11 2010-02-08 12:32:53
Re: A Tour
john_willetts wrote:
However, FPP's poor documentation .........
Just out of interest did you ever try Flashificator - the GUI front-end/XML generator for FPP?
Andrew, I don't do Virtual Tours, I think they're to complex for the average punter. I prefer a narrative style - which is why I've gone for Virtual Walks -
How does one of your Virtual Walks differ from a virtual tour?
Andrew Stephens
Nikon D40, Nikkor 10.5mm fisheye, Sigma 8mm f3.5 fisheye, Nikkor 18-55/50/35mm lenses, Nodal Ninja 5 Lite, Agno's Mrotator TCSshort
Nikon P5100, CP5000, CP995, FC-E8, WC-E63,WC-E68, TC-E2, Kaidan Kiwi 995, Bophoto pano bracket
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#12 2010-02-09 11:13:25
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Re: A Tour
Andrew,
In my book, a Virtual Walk is linear: A,B,C,D,E whereas a Virtual Tour is random: A,E,C ....
I did try Trausti's first version of Flashificator shortly before I discovered Pano2VR. It works. From what I understand, Flashificator is still under development.
I quite agree with Klaus' comments about Pano2VR's quality. It's very frustrating to see how much is lost from the original equis and I can't find a satisfactory solution. But in spite of this, the Skin Editor outweighs this. Take a look at the Pano2VR Forum and see what people have achieved.
Has anyone out there produced a pan with KRP with a different interface?
John
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#13 2010-02-09 11:30:18
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Re: A Tour
Klaus, the house shown on the first panorama - where it is located and is that for rent or just a house of a friend? I really liked the interiors!
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#14 2010-02-09 11:44:48
Re: A Tour
john_willetts wrote:
Has anyone out there produced a pan with KRP with a different interface?
John
Of course they have - here's a couple by Karine et Thierry Kergroac'h - http://www.arrets-sur-images.com/index.html:
http://www.visites-interactives.eu/fr/v … index.html
http://www.visites-interactives.eu/fr/v … index.html
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Andrew Stephens
Nikon D40, Nikkor 10.5mm fisheye, Sigma 8mm f3.5 fisheye, Nikkor 18-55/50/35mm lenses, Nodal Ninja 5 Lite, Agno's Mrotator TCSshort
Nikon P5100, CP5000, CP995, FC-E8, WC-E63,WC-E68, TC-E2, Kaidan Kiwi 995, Bophoto pano bracket
Merlin/Orion panohead + Papywizard on Nokia 770/N800 and Windows XP/2K
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#15 2010-02-09 12:03:07
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Re: A Tour
This tutorial may help to increase the quality of flash export in Pano2VR : http://gardengnomesoftware.com/tutorial.php?movid=10_2
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#16 2010-02-09 13:39:43
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Re: A Tour
[bo] wrote:
Klaus, the house shown on the first panorama - where it is located and is that for rent or just a house of a friend? I really liked the interiors!
Hi Bo!
It´s indeed the house of good friends from Düsseldorf. They want to sell it - it´s located in Soller/Mallorca. Beautiful place with some thousands of square meters ground.
best, Klaus
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#17 2010-02-10 12:30:37
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Re: A Tour
Thanks, Bo. It's a new one.
Andrew thanks, the first link got a 404.
The other two were lovely pans and the sound was perfect. However, the interface, though pretty wasn't particularly sophisticated. Can you - or anyone else, come up with anything matching PanoV2R?
Or, is there any way of importing the Pano2VR skin XMLs into KRP?
John
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#18 2010-02-10 13:29:12
Re: A Tour
john_willetts wrote:
Can you - or anyone else, come up with anything matching PanoV2R?
John
Please provide a link to something you consider a good example, produced with Pano2VR, of what you'd like to see matched by something done with krpano.
Andrew Stephens
Nikon D40, Nikkor 10.5mm fisheye, Sigma 8mm f3.5 fisheye, Nikkor 18-55/50/35mm lenses, Nodal Ninja 5 Lite, Agno's Mrotator TCSshort
Nikon P5100, CP5000, CP995, FC-E8, WC-E63,WC-E68, TC-E2, Kaidan Kiwi 995, Bophoto pano bracket
Merlin/Orion panohead + Papywizard on Nokia 770/N800 and Windows XP/2K
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#19 2010-02-10 19:05:19
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Re: A Tour
www.j-a-willetts-esq.com/xmas09.html
I know some of you people thought it was over the top (particularly Klaus) so forget the content. This is a Pano2VR interface. Show something as complex in KRP.
John
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#20 2010-02-10 19:34:13
Re: A Tour
john_willetts wrote:
www.j-a-willetts-esq.com/xmas09.html
I know some of you people thought it was over the top (particularly Klaus) so forget the content. This is a Pano2VR interface. Show something as complex in KRP.
John
This is complex for a different sort of reason:
http://www.krpano.com/forum/wbb/index.p … 7#post9637
Read about it here:
http://www.krpano.com/forum/wbb/index.p … 7#post9637
.............
Complex UI - but clumsy IMO:
http://www.virtualnorthland.com/panos/caf/
Read about it here:
http://www.krpano.com/forum/wbb/index.p … #post11254
..............
Off the wall use of krpano:
http://www.virtualtuur.com/studio/
Read about it here:
http://www.krpano.com/forum/wbb/index.p … #post11417
Andrew Stephens
Nikon D40, Nikkor 10.5mm fisheye, Sigma 8mm f3.5 fisheye, Nikkor 18-55/50/35mm lenses, Nodal Ninja 5 Lite, Agno's Mrotator TCSshort
Nikon P5100, CP5000, CP995, FC-E8, WC-E63,WC-E68, TC-E2, Kaidan Kiwi 995, Bophoto pano bracket
Merlin/Orion panohead + Papywizard on Nokia 770/N800 and Windows XP/2K
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#21 2010-02-10 20:36:58
- klausesser
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Re: A Tour
john_willetts wrote:
www.j-a-willetts-esq.com/xmas09.html
I know some of you people thought it was over the top (particularly Klaus) so forget the content. This is a Pano2VR interface. Show something as complex in KRP.
John
I think it´s nice - now that i got known to it. But the first tie seeing it i was rather irritated.
Tried to click the bubbles - are they intended to be links?
Regarding the interface thing:
http://krpano.com/examples/interface/
best, Klaus
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#22 2010-02-11 11:21:37
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Re: A Tour
Andrew, the exampleshave to be admired, purely because of the sheer amount of hand-coding involved. And, looking at the documentation, you have to have a certain type of mind to get your head round it - compare with Pano2VR's Tutorials.
Claus, no links only the pleasure of playing the Hallelujah Chorus. More uplifting than banging on drums.
John
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#23 2010-02-11 14:23:42
Re: A Tour
john_willetts wrote:
Andrew, the examples have to be admired, purely because of the sheer amount of hand-coding involved.
How about this one - simpler but quite effective I feel:
http://www.360imagery.co.uk/VT/aerial/j … bilee.html
And, looking at the documentation, you have to have a certain type of mind to get your head round it - compare with Pano2VR's Tutorials.
John
Yes, I agree completely - without APT I don't think I'd have never been able to do anything with krpano.
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Andrew Stephens
Nikon D40, Nikkor 10.5mm fisheye, Sigma 8mm f3.5 fisheye, Nikkor 18-55/50/35mm lenses, Nodal Ninja 5 Lite, Agno's Mrotator TCSshort
Nikon P5100, CP5000, CP995, FC-E8, WC-E63,WC-E68, TC-E2, Kaidan Kiwi 995, Bophoto pano bracket
Merlin/Orion panohead + Papywizard on Nokia 770/N800 and Windows XP/2K
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#24 2010-02-11 14:33:30
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Re: A Tour
john_willetts wrote:
More uplifting than banging on drums.
Right! ![]()
best, Klaus
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#25 2010-02-11 14:34:05
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Re: A Tour
Wow, a full aerial panorama... I wonder how they shot that...
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